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A few days ago I posted a link to a video on The WHOFarm. [livejournal.com profile] thepoeticpirate replied with the following point:

"i'm not against the idea of this organic farm thing, but preserving our constitutional republic against the imminent takeover by the global elite/banking interests is a lot more important."

You may be right. However, I beg to differ. Global warming is much more a threat to life on this planet than the banking crisis; Starvation is on the rise right here in the good ol' US of A, and one way of responding to both issues at once is to grow your own food. During the Great Depression, families and communities survived on what they grew and canned themselves.

A food garden on the White House lawn sets an example for the rest of America, and it doesn't preclude addressing banking interests taking over our country.

This isn't only about a landscaping change to the White House: This is about something much more basic: Keeping food in the bellies of Americans, keeping transportation carbon emissions down, and returning to a mentality of "taking care of our own".

I don't know jack shit about banking; I do know how to plant a garden, and I would rather put my Live Journal to good use teaching others the importance of self-reliance. Let the folks who know about banking deal with the problem. The rest of us can turn our hands to the good soil of this great land.

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

Date: 2008-11-28 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepoeticpirate.livejournal.com
oh honey; global warming is so not NEARLY the threat we've been told it is; there every reason to believe that all the changes we've been told about are simply part of the natural cycles of the earth; the hype about global warming and the demoniziation of carbon dioxide is meant to distract us from real threats to the environment while setting us up to accept a global carbon tax with a global regulatory structure to enforce it.

i do agree, everyone who can should plant a garden to help feed themselves and their families; we ARE headed for a major food crisis, and yes, president osama planting one would be a nice symbol to encourage that-- but if we don't reverse the trends established under the bush-clinton-bush administrations towards a mare and more powerful executive and an increasingly weaker congress and supreme court, we can kiss our beloved republic good bye.

yes to growing our own food--no to letting obama allowing these dangerous trends towards tyranny to continue.

Date: 2008-11-29 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambitious-wench.livejournal.com
Oh, honey--you've bought into the Big Oil Denier mentality. I'll take the word of scientists over those profiting from Big Oil in a fucking heartbeat.

Paul, my dear, I'm going to ask something of you; Do not ever refer to Obama as "osama" on my journal again. That doesn't fly with me. It signals a mentality that I really don't see any point in having a discussion with--and it really bothers me that a man of your intellect is stooping to such an asinine level. Capice?


Date: 2008-11-29 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepoeticpirate.livejournal.com
i do apologize, not for referring to obama as osama, but for causing you offense by so doing. i understand and respect why you are an obama supporter. the research i have done on the man and his associations, however, make me completely unable to trust him at all. every appointment he has made since his election have spoken very strongly of his loyalty to the same faction and agenda which has owned the loyalty of at the very least the last three presidents. i believe the change he has promised us is not the change his supporters are hoping for, and i pray to all te gods i'm wrong.

i honestly haven't been able to resist making that twist on his name periodically ever since i saw the first campaign stickers that featured his running mate's name. in fact, the first time i saw a bumper that read:

obama
biden

i LITERALLY HAD to do a double take because at firt glace i REALLY THOUGHT it had said osama binladen.

i mean come on---if one considers the conections between the bush and bin laden families, and the fact that al qaeda was originally set up by the cia to organize the mujahadeen in afghanistan against the russians, and one considers the notion that the bush-clinton-bush years represent three successive administrations that owed allegience to the same faction moving our republic further away from liberty and closer to martial law through the use of false flag terror ops--it becomes very hard not to ind the democratic ticket to be extraordinarily ironic.

honestly, i believe that biden is actually going to be another power-behind-the-throne vice president, in the tradition of dick cheney and george h w bush.

you know me well enough to know that a man of my intellect and honour is not going to make the jest i did out of any kind of base sentiment of prejudice; it was not an attempt to question mr. obama's religious affiliation, nor a slight against islam, muslim, arabs, nor anything like that. you know me edie.

and honey--it aint big oil i'm getting my information from. again, it's based on research. scientist do NOT speak with on voice when it comes to the alleged threat of carbon emissions, nor the severity of that threat.

it is simply a fact that a LOT of money has been spent by people and groups associated with that same faction to which our last three presidents have owed their allegiance to overstate the threat, to create the false impression that all scientists everywhere are in universal accord that life on earth is in imminent danger by the evil gas carbon dioxide and the only way to fix it is is to establish a world regulatory body to control carbon emissions in every country---in other words, one world government. A NEW WORLD ORDER.

bush's new world order.

yeah, a lot of people will be calling me a tinfoil-hat-wearer for talking about it, but i see what's really happening in the world around us, and i see what the national corporate-controlled news media tells us and the local stories of national interest they don't.

honey, again, i'm sorry i offended you, and i won't disparage obama on your LJ in that particular way again.

Date: 2008-11-28 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepoeticpirate.livejournal.com
by the way---i love that you quoted lazarus long; he's one of my favorite fictional characters.

Date: 2008-11-29 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambitious-wench.livejournal.com
It just goes to show that even a stopped clock is right twice a day, IMO. Heinlein/Long had his good moments. My other favorite quote is "Rub her feet."


Date: 2008-11-29 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepoeticpirate.livejournal.com
one of my favorites is; when a society becomes complex enough to require its citizens to carry ID, its time to go elsewhere. (or something like that)

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