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Is it just me, or is anyone else seeing a looming battle within the Republicrat's multi-cultural ranks? And by multi-cultural, I don't mean race, sweetie. After all, "factions" sounds so...tawdry in a party that has acheived such a stunning victory recently. C'mon, you gotta admit that us Dems were indeed stunned, and it might as well have been with a half-brick-inna-sock.

No, wait, that's victory *by* stunning...

Anyway, I digress. There's a rather vocal section within the GOP; Yep, who else, the far-right "Christian" (sic) uber-conservatives. They scream about Mary Cheney appearing with her lover on the victory platform. Now they are hectoring Santorum to deny the Senate Judiciary Chair to Sen Spector because *gasp!* Spector is Pro-Choice, and might stall the appointment of a Pro-Life judge to the Supreme Court.

*rolls eyes*

Watch closely, friends and neighbors. How long do you think it will be before they are told politely but firmly to STFU by their elected officials because they don't like being ordered about? This should be good. Pass the popcorn, please?

Date: 2004-11-13 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djfiggy.livejournal.com
Umm... Hector, as in that guy from the Battle of Troy? Who ends up getting killed by Achilles, then gruesomely dragged in the sand behind a chariot?

Date: 2004-11-13 07:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mintogrubb.livejournal.com
Yup. Usually denoted as a bully. The verb 'hectoring' is derived from the same.

Date: 2004-11-13 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
Why do you suppose he got such a bad rap?

Date: 2004-11-13 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mintogrubb.livejournal.com
I guess it was the way he carried on, always making heroic speeches to his own side before going over the wall and kicking some major ass among the enemy.
There was a war on, he was on the losing side, and winners always ge to write it their way.
Had his team won, they would call him a heroic leader, not a hectoring bully * shrugs*

Date: 2004-11-13 10:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
The Iliad doesn't make him out to be a bad guy, though. Both Achilles and Hector are presented as sympathetic characters.

Date: 2004-11-13 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambitious-wench.livejournal.com
I seem to remember additional information in the OED about "hectoring", that there was a gang of young men and boys in London who were known for being bullies. I believe they took the name from the Iliad. I could be wrong.

Date: 2004-11-13 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambitious-wench.livejournal.com
Ah, here it is:

hector

(HEK-tur)

To bully, harrass, intimidate.

In the Iliad, the Trojan hero Hector a good soldier, but he wasn't a bully. He was a model citizen and devoted family man, as in the most touching scene of this otherwise grisly epic, when Hector's baby son is frightened by the big plume atop Daddy's helmet. In fact, there was a time when the English word hector meant simply "a valiant warrior."

But during the latter half of the seventeenth century, a gang of bullies roamed the streets of London, calling themselves the Hectors, perhaps likening themselves to this fabled warrior. In any case, by 1660, the verb hector had come to mean "to bluster, brag, or bully."

From: http://www.funwords.com/library/h.htm

Date: 2004-11-13 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
That makes a lot more sense for me. Thanks!

Date: 2004-11-13 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djfiggy.livejournal.com
Oh, okay. The sad thing is, I've only read "The Odyssey", so all I know is that the movie killed off key characters that were supposed to appear in the next story. I wouldn't know how Hector was represented in the book.

Date: 2004-11-13 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
The movie has little bearing on the book, I'm afraid.

Date: 2004-11-13 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djfiggy.livejournal.com
I assumed as much :\

Date: 2004-11-13 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
There was a great usericon floating around somewhere. Screencap from 'Troy', Agamemnon to Menelaus: "Don't worry, I can't die yet... I've read the book!"

Date: 2004-11-13 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanmonster.livejournal.com
Ha! I know I was quite surprised when he bit the dust in the movie. I was all "But what about Clytemnestra?"

One odd thing which struck me about the movie was all the funeral pyres made of large, perfectly cylindrical logs. Where the hell did they get them? There sure as heck weren't any trees in the panoramic shots of Troy. I guess they just chopped them all down upon arrival in anticipation of the funeral games.

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