I don't know how to take this.

[ambitious_wench]

I don't know who shot this, nor where, nor when. But I found it highly disturbing.

It shows what appears to be a group of people walking down a street from above. It has a sound track, and you hear mechanised breathing, and a voice saying "I've got a bunch of people on the street, do you want me to take them out?"
Response: Take 'em out

The camera seems to change positions somehow, I'm not sure how.

A large black cloud obliterates the street and the people from view.

"Impact"
"Oh, dude"

http://globalresearch.ca/images/Massacre%20of%20Civilians.wmv

Comments

corrected spelling errors . :)

[whispersinink.livejournal.com]

Appears to be from a c130 gun ship, which is a plane that can circle from high altitude and has several guns, bombs, and a heavy artillery cannon. The camera angles are consistent for that kind of surveillance.
This plane can circle a city for several hours to suppresstargets. At least, that's what I recall.

This video is probably from Iraq, though it might be from Somalia, as that scene is reminiscent of Black Hawk Down.

Unfortunately , this is how we keep low body counts on our side. We don't have to fight toe to toe.

There's...

[drooling-ferret.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking the heavy breathing is from a pilot breathing through one of those air hose/radio/face mask things you always see 'em wearing in movies.

There's some other chatter in there, and possibly a burst of radio static or two, as well.

As for the camera, that's probably just how it was mounted (with a 360 degree "side to side" arc for the base, and a close to 180 degree arc "front to back" that the actual camera can move through).

The file is, what "CAS_Fallujah"? But it's hard to tell, just watching, where it's from, and if it's real.

[texas-tiger.livejournal.com]

According to the label I saw, it was taken in Fallujah. The camera switch seems to be the sort of thing you'd see if it was being filmed from a jet or helicopter and the aircraft had moved far enough over the target to be "looking back" as it were.

Yes, very, very disturbing.

Objective Von Crittle

[showghost.livejournal.com]

o.k, firstly, we should adress the location.

Ever seen a picture of Fallujiah? it doesn't look like that. The streets aren't that wide. Second, it says the image is from an Apache Helicopter. That's bull. They don't fly that high. Also they are primarilly for shooting down air targets and destroying tanks. The vehicle in the video is obviously very high in the air, and it used some manner of weapon which took "ten seconds" (more like 7) to land. This leads me to beleive if it is real, which I'm sure it's not, it'd have to be a gunship. But gunships don't fly that high when actively fighting. So I'm not sure about that.

Second, the video itself. What kindof aircraft films fighting and actually saves the film? and all the extra stuff in the video? there is one image of Yaw controll. Hellicopters don't have that. And the explosion and people moving looks rather edited to me.

My personal conclusion is sombody took old footage (this type if film is outdated anyways) of bosnia and edited in people and an explosion along with badly timed dubbing. This is a scam.

Re: Objective Von Crittle

[lederhosen.livejournal.com]

I'm not convinced by the video, but these arguments are a bit shaky...

Ever seen a picture of Fallujiah? it doesn't look like that. The streets aren't that wide.

Fallujah has a lot of streets. Without having been there or seeing pictures, I feel fairly confident in assuming that some of those streets are wider than others. *Most* Fallujah streets may not be that wide, but it'd be a rare city indeed that didn't have a couple of major streets of that size.

Second, it says the image is from an Apache Helicopter. That's bull. They don't fly that high.

The Apache's service ceiling is about 20 000 feet, so I assume you mean "don't normally" rather than "don't ever" here.

Procedures depend on circumstances. If you're worried about being picked up on radar and shot down by SAMs, you stay low - it makes you less visible and harder to track. But if you want to survey a wide area, high is good - and while being high makes you more visible to enemies, it also makes you harder to hit with unguided weapons like RPGs.

Also they are primarilly for shooting down air targets and destroying tanks.

And when the opposition in Fallujah starts using tanks and aircraft, I'm sure the Apaches will be used in that role. In the meantime, the opposition in Fallujah is a bunch of guys on foot in buildings.

By all accounts, the USA's planning concentrated too much on open-terrain armour scenarios, and not enough on urban warfare, leading to resource & manpower problems. When your resources don't match the mission, you make do with what you can get - using dismounted tank crews with AK-47s for foot patrols isn't exactly standard doctrine either, but that happened.

and it used some manner of weapon which took "ten seconds" (more like 7) to land

I checked against my watch; it was ten. Agrees also with the timer in the bottom right. It's also not clear that "ten seconds" refers to the weapon's flight time, unless there's something I missed; might have been "I'll fire in ten seconds".

But the timer itself is odd. Starts at 10, counts down to 0, jumps back up to 33, and counts down again. "Take 'em out" at ~ 27 sec, "Ten seconds" at ~ 10 sec, impact at exactly zero. It started counting down before the order to fire was given, but hit zero at the moment of impact, which is rather hard to explain.

What kindof aircraft films fighting and actually saves the film?

That would be an Apache (among others): "The current on-board gun-camera recording device, manufactured by TEAC, uses a special format tape that plays on a special format player and a special format monitor. This system, although innovative in the late 1970s when it was developed, seriously limits the capabilities of an otherwise powerful combat system. PhotoTelesis, a division of Raytheon, has developed a new system to replace the antiquated TEAC recorder system..."

there is one image of Yaw controll. Hellicopters don't have that.

Back in 2000, the US grounded its entire AH-64 Apache fleet because of concerns about "a tailrotor swashplate assembly, which produces yaw control". If you don't have yaw control, you end up spinning uncontrollably, simple as that - any helicopter has *some* form of yaw control. Did you mean something else here?

Apart from the timer issue, my main problem with the video as titled is that it's impossible to tell whether the people are actually civilians. They might well be, but there just isn't enough detail to see whether they're armed. (The way they travel in a large coherent group seems a bit unusual if they are civilians, though it's hardly clinching evidence.)