I don't want to see them.

[ambitious_wench]

I don't want to see them. I don't want to see the pictures of prisoner abuse, Abu Graihb, Iraq, part Duh. According to The New York Post (yeah, yeah, hardly a bastion of journalistic integrity, but still you gotta wonder), Lynndie England was video-taped having consensual sex with multiple partners in front of prisoners in a jail.

I was stunned. I'm sorry, but her story of being ordered to pose for the pictures in front of naked prisoners just got much more difficult to believe. Short of blackmail, I can't see her being ordered to have sex with multiple partners in front of prisoners.

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Sigh....

[whispersinink.livejournal.com]

I don't know.. I will need to hear more credible news (Cnn, national...) before I jump on the bandwagon on that. Personally I am just tired of hearing about it, and no... I never looked for those pictures or the beheading video.

I know what the stuff looks like, (ever hear of the "Faces of Death" Videos? Don't go looking for them, but lots of either depicted murder or real video of it on foreign soil) and really... I'm not sure if anyone needs to. It's not that we don't need to know, but we don't have to see it to understand the situation.

Then again, I keep coming close to posting about the whole thing, then holding back. It's that "Do I actually have anything of substance to add" conflict.

(thinks)

In the grand scheme of it all, what bothers you most about this whole prison issue?

[frou-frou.livejournal.com]

She's a stupid woman. Mind you: she's made the mistake of her lifetime and once she gets out of jail she'd be wanting to change her name and move a long, long way away. Then again, she seems to have fallen for some crazy idea that she could get away with all of this so perhaps she'll just go home and wonder why people are so nasty to her.

Ah, photos - you really need to know where all the copies are, don't you?

[redhead-sue.livejournal.com]

The Post is one step away from being the Enquirer -- I don't put any stock in what they say.

As for Lynndie England and the rest... I am disgusted, but through my disgust I am trying to remember that there is always more to the story, and that every story is more complex than it can look in a picture. Just as Jessica Lynch could never be the shining, perfect hero everyone wanted her to be, neither can this woman be one perfect embodiment of cruelty.

This is not to say I support her, or find anything to defend in the few pictures I've seen. Only that I won't get involved in "why did she do it, was she forced?" sorts of discussions. Especially when we seem to be looking for a *reason* the woman did it, while just accepting that the men who did it, well, men can be evil.

[damashita.livejournal.com]

i won't excuse what these US soldiers did. They were wrong, orders or not. But... i know that grunts in the military don't travel overseas with hoods, leashes, and other torture devices... where did they come from? Someone w/ requisition power had to have made them available to the soldiers in question.

i was watching the hearings last night and one of the senators posted an interesting question... if US soldiers were subjected to the treatment that the US allows us to do to captives (painful poses up to 45 minutes, all hours interrogation, forced nudity, breaking down of ego and self, etc.), would you consider it acceptable - the Undersecretary of Defense said "no"... interesting, eh? Once again, the US shows its awful double standard. To me, it doesn't matter what the "enemy" may do to our captured soldiers... we cannot control that... what matters is our actions and our ethics. If we lose that, we lose it all. Oops.. we already have.