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ambitious_wenchWay back elsewhen, revalkorn made the following observation:
So, I would assume you are refering to the strict biological definition of the word "mother". I'm disappointed in your narrowness of language use, Pastor. There are lots of women who do not have the biological ability to bear children but are great mothers. Are you saying saying that they can't be mothers? My point, Pastor was and is this: Parenting is a non-gender specific task. We as a culture have assigned roles around parenting according to gender. And yet, in OTHER cultures those roles are assigned to the opposite gender. Mothering is not limited to those of us with a final X chromosome. At the risk of punning without a license, try to think outside the box, Pastor.
Previously he quiped:
At one time I would have snarled "Mighty White of you, pal." But I'm over such racist comments. No, really. I mean that.
He also declared like a braying mule:
*Blink*
I did? Gee, I don't remember doing that. I am sure I'd remember commiting murder of a concept.
At the ripe old age of 43, pal, I was THERE. I marched with my mother at the age of 7 for the women's rights in Monterey, California. And when gentlemen standing by the road tipped their hats to us, I remember the women smiling, waving at them and saying thank you. I also remember the man who yelled at my mother "You're just a f*cking c*nt!" as she walked by him, holding my hand. She looked down at me, tears in her eyes, and just shook her head. Just who killed civalry? You are laboring under a very common misconception, Pastor. And at such a young age, too.
A good friend of mine likes to declare that "The Great War was the death of chivalry." I am more inclined to believe him over your biased pronouncement.
Now, regarding chilvalry: There are aspects that are simply assinine. Like "Never change your mind". That one has been expunged from modern copies, but it was there. A not-so-quick trip to Google with the paramerts "Code of Chivalry" will provide copious amounts of material.
The Pastor tantalizes us with:
For the record, I was being just as snide. However, I will confess to a very strong temptation to post the deleted entry here. Out of respect for you, I decided not to. But I will say this, Pastor: That deleted post revealed a human side of you. Including the rather surprising use of the often derogatory "wench" when you refered to me. I have offered the use of my first name before and since. I wonder if you had seen them? My nick is indeed Ambitious_Wench. You will note that I capitalize "Wench". I got the distinct impression that you were not using the sobriquet in it's original meaning of "woman who works with her hands".
Is it me, or does anyone else get a visual of a pouting face when they read:
:::chuckle::: I will cheerfully admit to being presumptuous, Pastor. And I will also gladly release them in favor of more likely presumptions as they present themselves. Presumptions. We all have them. The trick is letting them go when they have died.
I already addressed that to my satisfaction here.
Finally, we begin to find some common ground when the Pastor opens up to say:
:::nodding::: I can respect the difference. Me, well, I have neither religion, nor faith. I have spirituality, and knowledge. If faith it the substance of things unseen, I will pass. I think it was Starhawk who illustrated thusly: "I believe in the Goddess like I believe in rocks". It's not a matter of believing, it's a matter of immanence.
"Let Thy shekinah glory, now shine forth from within..."
And then fast on the heels of the previous comes this declaration:
Considering the above, I am willing to risk accusation of sarcasm to say that I don't think you are a proponent of evolution. No, I'm going to reveal my basic belief that Christians are downright obstructionist when it comes to other world views of Prime Source. And I found your comment rather insulting, Pastor. I'm of the mind that you and I are refering to the same deity, after all. I just prefer to refer to Her in the feminine. There is precident for it in your own bible. In fact, "elochim" in the original Hebrew is gender inclusive plural, making "In the begining, the gods and goddesses (together) created the heavens and earth" a plausible translation of the first verse of the Bible. Also, the "indwelling glory of G*d", or Shekinah, is specificly of feminine gender. Are you really going to deny me my Mother Goddess? Odd, that. I remember a great line from some movie about the life of Martin Luther. When he heard that some of his followers had descecrated a Catholic church by smashing sacred statues, he cried "Never destroy that which leads another human being to The Divine!" Was that just Hollywood, Pastor? One of the things I liked about Lutherans was their tolerance of other views. Was it a lie made up for a good script?
Of course, I could be way off the unbeaten path here-- you very well may be a proponent of evolution.
He concluded the above with:
"Well, then that's one thing we've got. "
And so, another.
I somehow missed this way back at the begining of our discourse:
I thought I smelled a troll!
Come out from under your bridge, Pastor. However, I think that like the billygoats, you will find me too tough and stringy to eat. But you are welcome to bite---. Er. Never mind. You are a Pastor, not a saint.
Sorry, but to the best of my knowledge .....(name deleted for privacy reasons) does not have the correct anatomical structure to be a mother.
So, I would assume you are refering to the strict biological definition of the word "mother". I'm disappointed in your narrowness of language use, Pastor. There are lots of women who do not have the biological ability to bear children but are great mothers. Are you saying saying that they can't be mothers? My point, Pastor was and is this: Parenting is a non-gender specific task. We as a culture have assigned roles around parenting according to gender. And yet, in OTHER cultures those roles are assigned to the opposite gender. Mothering is not limited to those of us with a final X chromosome. At the risk of punning without a license, try to think outside the box, Pastor.
Previously he quiped:
I've never been one to deny someone the use of sarcasm, and so I must say that I appreciate the liberal dose with which you flavored those sentences.
At one time I would have snarled "Mighty White of you, pal." But I'm over such racist comments. No, really. I mean that.
He also declared like a braying mule:
I know what chivalry is. However, I also know that "liberated" women murdered chivalry years ago. God forbid a man holds a door or extends his arm or holds a chair or take a coat, presuming to do something for a woman which she can already do.
*Blink*
I did? Gee, I don't remember doing that. I am sure I'd remember commiting murder of a concept.
At the ripe old age of 43, pal, I was THERE. I marched with my mother at the age of 7 for the women's rights in Monterey, California. And when gentlemen standing by the road tipped their hats to us, I remember the women smiling, waving at them and saying thank you. I also remember the man who yelled at my mother "You're just a f*cking c*nt!" as she walked by him, holding my hand. She looked down at me, tears in her eyes, and just shook her head. Just who killed civalry? You are laboring under a very common misconception, Pastor. And at such a young age, too.
A good friend of mine likes to declare that "The Great War was the death of chivalry." I am more inclined to believe him over your biased pronouncement.
Now, regarding chilvalry: There are aspects that are simply assinine. Like "Never change your mind". That one has been expunged from modern copies, but it was there. A not-so-quick trip to Google with the paramerts "Code of Chivalry" will provide copious amounts of material.
The Pastor tantalizes us with:
By the way, I was being smart-alec-y when I talked about "on" the arm.
For the record, I was being just as snide. However, I will confess to a very strong temptation to post the deleted entry here. Out of respect for you, I decided not to. But I will say this, Pastor: That deleted post revealed a human side of you. Including the rather surprising use of the often derogatory "wench" when you refered to me. I have offered the use of my first name before and since. I wonder if you had seen them? My nick is indeed Ambitious_Wench. You will note that I capitalize "Wench". I got the distinct impression that you were not using the sobriquet in it's original meaning of "woman who works with her hands".
Is it me, or does anyone else get a visual of a pouting face when they read:
I don't mind a challenge; but I think you're guilty of the presumption of which you accuse me.
:::chuckle::: I will cheerfully admit to being presumptuous, Pastor. And I will also gladly release them in favor of more likely presumptions as they present themselves. Presumptions. We all have them. The trick is letting them go when they have died.
And one of these days, maybe you'll be kind and gentle enough to explain my presumption?
I already addressed that to my satisfaction here.
Finally, we begin to find some common ground when the Pastor opens up to say:
And yes, in a sense it is meant to indicate a deep religiousity; however, I prefer to call it a confession of faith.
:::nodding::: I can respect the difference. Me, well, I have neither religion, nor faith. I have spirituality, and knowledge. If faith it the substance of things unseen, I will pass. I think it was Starhawk who illustrated thusly: "I believe in the Goddess like I believe in rocks". It's not a matter of believing, it's a matter of immanence.
"Let Thy shekinah glory, now shine forth from within..."
And then fast on the heels of the previous comes this declaration:
Since there is no "Creatrix", I certainly can't trust something she couldn't have made.
Considering the above, I am willing to risk accusation of sarcasm to say that I don't think you are a proponent of evolution. No, I'm going to reveal my basic belief that Christians are downright obstructionist when it comes to other world views of Prime Source. And I found your comment rather insulting, Pastor. I'm of the mind that you and I are refering to the same deity, after all. I just prefer to refer to Her in the feminine. There is precident for it in your own bible. In fact, "elochim" in the original Hebrew is gender inclusive plural, making "In the begining, the gods and goddesses (together) created the heavens and earth" a plausible translation of the first verse of the Bible. Also, the "indwelling glory of G*d", or Shekinah, is specificly of feminine gender. Are you really going to deny me my Mother Goddess? Odd, that. I remember a great line from some movie about the life of Martin Luther. When he heard that some of his followers had descecrated a Catholic church by smashing sacred statues, he cried "Never destroy that which leads another human being to The Divine!" Was that just Hollywood, Pastor? One of the things I liked about Lutherans was their tolerance of other views. Was it a lie made up for a good script?
Of course, I could be way off the unbeaten path here-- you very well may be a proponent of evolution.
He concluded the above with:
But if it's any consolation, I don't trust pharmaceuticals either.
"Well, then that's one thing we've got. "
I *will* agree with you about Solomon, though. Rather salacious, if you ask me.
And so, another.
I somehow missed this way back at the begining of our discourse:
(Of course, that could make someone ask why I feel the need to comment on his livejournal, but I'm sure you can already tell that I'm a contrary person by nature.)
I thought I smelled a troll!
Come out from under your bridge, Pastor. However, I think that like the billygoats, you will find me too tough and stringy to eat. But you are welcome to bite---. Er. Never mind. You are a Pastor, not a saint.
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Wow.
Date: 2003-01-03 08:01 am (UTC)I don't talk to this person much anymore.
Re: Wow.
Date: 2003-01-03 08:42 am (UTC)S'okay, Figster. He's a Lutheran. But don't let that stop you from liking Lutherans. Just like that Catholic should not be reason to dis all Catholics.
Auntie Ambitious
Re: Wow.
Date: 2003-01-04 09:36 am (UTC)Re: Wow.
Date: 2003-01-04 11:13 am (UTC)"...morons come from everywhere" indeed.
Auntie Amb.
Re: Wow.
Date: 2003-01-03 10:37 am (UTC)Odd rebuttal? I think I can come up with one. :)
And if it's any consolation, there are Lutherans who say that Roman "Catholics" aren't Christian, either. But I'm not one of them.
Re: Wow.
Date: 2003-01-04 09:33 am (UTC)I'm probably not in a good position to speak on behalf of that church, seeing as how I only go there once a year, not counting weddings, funerals, baptisms.